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Zen, Silent Teaching & Holding Up The Lotus

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Gerlach is German and rhymes with bear-lock. I was born and raised in the Haight Ashbury of San Francisco, moved to Berkeley for college and grad school, with an MA in History of Religion from the Graduate Theological Union of Berkeley, and now teach Philosophy and the history of human thought at Berkeley City College. I have taught Intro Philosophy, Ethics, Logic, Asian Philosophy, Greek Philosophy, Modern European Philosophy and Social & Political Philosophy there for the past several years, and it has been a joy.

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  1. Warren

    December 1, 2020 at 3:53 am

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    Eric! It’s Nansens cat!! Not Haung Po! Come on! (To your credit, you did catch it though!)

    While I knew about Koans as a sort of ‘legal cases’ I have never thought about the reader being the Judge. That was very neat, and extremely clear. Every Koan is about the reader, but pointing out the reader is the judge of the case… Well, it’s a much more direct way of putting it.

    Never thought about Joshu’s fist, or Gutei’s finger as the same as Buddha holding the flower, but it makes sense – nor did I think about the Buddha holds a flower as a sort of potential political maneuver to establish Zen relating to Buddhism. Very interesting.

    Really glad to hear in the first ten minutes of pure disclaimer that you believe Zen masters weren’t doing things ‘beyond logic’ so to speak. That there is a reason or even philosophy behind Koans instead of an appeal to quietism that you see sometimes. While I have meditating consistently for almost a decade now, it wasn’t until I actually wrestled with Koans that Zen really opened up for me. I think it’s an incredibly overlooked aspect of Zen. I too am not much of a fan of meditating only on turning words. The context, the stupid or sometimes profound questions monks ask are the meat of the Koans. I really think, if done enough, I think you can really learn to become a critical thinker by wrestling with them as they are the works like the BCR/MMK/BOS etc. This is to say, I don’t think you can explain Koans away, nor do I think anything is wrong with treating them as having serious philosophical implications and trying to explain them. Where’s the bloody fun if not?

    I am ambivalent about you choosing to cover Joshu last. The first directly ‘Zen’ texts I read (meaning, reading the guys who made ‘zen’ *zen* if you get my meaning) were Bodhidharma’s Zen teaching by red pine and the sayings of Joshu by by James Greene. Bodhidharma was cool. Joshu was amazing. Nothing gets people interested in Zen better than the wit of Joshu. Of course, as a teacher, you definitely have more of an obligation to do things thoroughly… I just don’t want to wait.

    Anyway, great stuff! I am super stoked you are dedicating whole videos to single patriarchs and works like the BCR. As always, I get very excited, so I apologize for the wall of text. WordPress seems to squish my text together no matter how I attempt to segment it.

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    • ericgerlach79

      December 1, 2020 at 11:54 pm

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      The only reason I cover Joshu last, of the patriarchs, is I realized after I got into Linji that Joshu is happening at the same time, and he is the greatest of all of them, with Linji’s sermons serving as a good intro to how the House of Linji was framing Joshu and his interactions in the koan collections.

      Thank you again for your continued support, and calling me out on the mistakes, which are important to leave in. All too often academics fear making mistakes rather than failing to make personal progress, in my opinion.

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      • Warren

        December 7, 2020 at 4:23 am

        Eric it’s my pleasure. I should be thanking you!

        To speak colloquially, it seems like everyone is sleeping on the Zen Master’s. There is a growing interest forming as American Buddhism as a culture is developing, and I think it’s really great to see this happening.

        Perhaps you’re more informed here though, does academia explore these works like you’ve been?

        You’ve made enough disclaimers to make me think its somewhat taboo… unless you are an ordained priest of course. Yet, a friend of mine has pointed out that at one point, it was found upon for anyone but ordained priest to comment on the bible… and, well, now things are quite different.

        I know it’s not quite a one to one comparison, but you get the meaning. At any rate, really appreciate the work and will try to be a gadfly whenever I can with merit.

  2. ericgerlach79

    December 9, 2020 at 12:24 am

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    I don’t think that academia has explored these works well, but that is what these posts and videos are for. Anyone should do philosophy. Academics can’t be left to the academics, anymore than war can to the generals. As your wise friend says, things are quite different. There is YouTube, and you can’t find Indian philosophy classes offered in a major American university, still, since the 60s and 70s. Times will change, as they have to.

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  • Courses
    • Intro – Phil 1
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      • Islam & Avicenna
      • Europe & Aquinas
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      • Poe & Dupin
      • Mill & Boole
      • Carroll & Alice
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      • Frege & Russell
      • Wittgenstein
      • Fallacies & Puzzles
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    • Ethics – Phil 31A
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      • Egypt & Babylon
      • Hindus & Jains
      • Buddha
      • Heraclitus
      • Aristotle
      • Epicurus & Stoics
      • Confucius
      • Mozi & Xunzi
      • Daoism
      • Kant
      • Mill
      • Nietzsche
      • Wittgenstein
      • Fanon, hooks & Said
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      • Mencius & Mozi
      • Plato’s Republic
      • Aristotle’s Politics
      • Machiavelli
      • Hobbes
      • Locke
      • Rousseau
      • Mill
      • Thoreau
      • Socialism
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      • Hegel & Marcuse
      • Anarchism
      • Fascism
      • Postcolonialism
      • Feminism
    • Asia – Phil 37
    • Buddha – Phil 16
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      • Neo-Platonism
        • Augustine
        • Dionysius
        • Eriugena
        • Francis
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        • Ockham
        • Cusanus
        • Ficino
      • Protestantism
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  • Americas
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        • Immanuel Kant
      • Phenomenology
        • Johann Fichte
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        • Marcuse & The New Left
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        • Arthur Schopenhauer
        • Soren Kierkegaard
        • Friedrich Nietzsche
        • Martin Heidegger
      • Ludwig Wittgenstein
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      • Poets & Epics
      • The Pre-Socratics
        • Pythagoras
        • Xenophanes
        • Heraclitus
        • Parmenides & Zeno
        • Anaxagoras
        • Empedocles
        • Democritus
      • Socrates
      • Diogenes
      • Plato
        • The Apology
        • The Crito
        • The Meno
        • The Symposium
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        • The Timaeus
        • The Parmenides
        • The Theaetetus
      • Aristotle
        • Metaphysics
        • On The Soul
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        • Politics
      • Skepticism
        • Pyrrho
        • Aenesidemus
        • Sextus Empiricus
      • Epicurus
      • Stoicism
        • Zeno of Citium
        • Chrysippus
        • Epictetus
        • Marcus Aurelius
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    • Egypt
      • Hardjedef
      • Ptahhotep
      • Khun-Anup
      • Amenemopet
      • Ani the Scribe
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        • The Strivers
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        • Nyaya Debate
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        • Forms of Proof
        • Fallacies
      • The Charvakas
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        • The Tirthankaras
        • 3 Points of View
        • Mind Over Matter
        • The Leaky Boat
        • Nonviolence
        • The Whiteclad & Skyclad
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        • Blue Cliff Record
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        • Gongsun Long
      • Moism
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      • Heraclitus
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      • Thoreau
      • Socialism
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      • Postcolonialism
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        • Eriugena
        • Francis
        • Aquinas
        • Ockham
        • Cusanus
        • Ficino
      • Protestantism
      • New Religions
  • Americas
    • The Mayans & Aztecs
    • Edgar Allan Poe
      • Philosophy of Furniture
      • Rue Morgue Murders
      • Marie Roget
      • Purloined Letter
    • Henry David Thoreau
    • Comedy & Cynicism
      • Ambrose Bierce
      • Groucho Marx
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      • Charles Sanders Peirce
      • William James
      • John Dewey
      • Richard Rorty
      • Cornel West
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      • William Of Ockham
      • Thomas Hobbes
      • John Locke
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      • George Berkeley
      • John Stuart Mill
      • Augustus De Morgan
      • Lewis Carroll
      • Bertrand Russell
    • France
      • Rene Descartes
      • Politics
        • Jean-Jacques Rousseau
        • Henri de Saint-Simon
      • Surrealism
        • George Bataille
        • Dada & Modern Art
      • Existentialism
        • Jean-Paul Sartre
        • Franz Fanon
      • Structuralism
        • Jean-Claude Levi-Strauss
        • Jacques Lacan
        • Roland Barthes
        • Michel Foucault
      • Postmodernism
        • Jean-Francois Lyotard
        • Gilles Deleuze
        • Jean Baudrillard
        • Donna Haraway
        • Jacques Derrida
    • Germania
      • Rationalism
        • Baruch Spinoza
        • Gottfried Leibniz
        • Immanuel Kant
      • Phenomenology
        • Johann Fichte
        • Friedrich Schelling
        • Georg Hegel
      • Politics
        • Karl Marx & Communism
        • Marcuse & The New Left
      • Pessimism
        • Arthur Schopenhauer
        • Soren Kierkegaard
        • Friedrich Nietzsche
        • Martin Heidegger
      • Ludwig Wittgenstein
    • Greece
      • Poets & Epics
      • The Pre-Socratics
        • Pythagoras
        • Xenophanes
        • Heraclitus
        • Parmenides & Zeno
        • Anaxagoras
        • Empedocles
        • Democritus
      • Socrates
      • Diogenes
      • Plato
        • The Apology
        • The Crito
        • The Meno
        • The Symposium
        • The Republic
        • The Timaeus
        • The Parmenides
        • The Theaetetus
      • Aristotle
        • Metaphysics
        • On The Soul
        • Logic
        • Ethics
        • Politics
      • Skepticism
        • Pyrrho
        • Aenesidemus
        • Sextus Empiricus
      • Epicurus
      • Stoicism
        • Zeno of Citium
        • Chrysippus
        • Epictetus
        • Marcus Aurelius
  • Mid
    • Egypt
      • Hardjedef
      • Ptahhotep
      • Khun-Anup
      • Amenemopet
      • Ani the Scribe
      • Marikare
    • Babylon
      • Pessimism
      • Theodicy
    • Zoroastrianism
    • Judaism
    • Christianity
    • Islam
      • Al Kindi
      • Al Farabi
      • Avicenna
      • Al Ghazali
      • Averroes
  • East
    • India
      • Hinduism
        • The Three Paths
        • The Vedas
        • The Upanishads
        • The Epics
        • Vedanta
        • The Strivers
      • Kanada & Atoms
      • Gautama & Logic
        • Nyaya Debate
        • 4 Sources of Knowledge
        • 3 Ways of Words
        • Forms of Proof
        • Fallacies
      • The Charvakas
      • Jainism
        • The Tirthankaras
        • 3 Points of View
        • Mind Over Matter
        • The Leaky Boat
        • Nonviolence
        • The Whiteclad & Skyclad
      • Buddhism
        • Life & Desire
        • The Middle Way
        • The Monkey Mind
        • Codependent Arising
        • The Dhammapada
        • The Mid-Length Discourses
        • The Long Discourses
        • Ashoka
    • Tibet
    • China
      • The Yi Jing
      • Confucianism
        • Confucius
        • The Mean
        • Great Learning
        • Mencius
        • Xunzi
      • Daoism
        • Yin & Yang
        • Bamboo Laozi
        • Laozi
        • Zhuangzi
        • Liezi
      • Buddhism & Zen
        • Buddha in China
        • Chan (Zen)
        • Bodhidharma
        • Huineng
        • Mazu
        • Linji (Rinzai)
        • Zhaozhou (Joshu)
        • Blue Cliff Record
        • The Gateless Gate
        • Dahui
      • Sunzi & The Art Of War
      • School of Names
        • Hui Shi
        • Gongsun Long
      • Moism
    • Vietnam
    • Korea
    • Japan
      • Buddhism in Japan
      • Hakuin
      • Dogen
      • Musashi
      • Zen Stories
  • Videos
    • Alice & Aristotle
    • Poe The Detective
    • India
    • Plato’s Dialogues
    • Confucius
    • Daoism
    • Zen
    • Phenomenology
    • Existentialism
    • Postmodernism
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